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If they did any reading they'd pretty quickly realize it's basically one of the worst deals imaginable. And high earners get stuck with the bill. These salaried high paying jobs make less and less sense every day. We can't afford to live in NYC under Biden". Can you imagine? Crazy thought! Creating your own company is not easy as the world's problem right now is insufficient demand obviously, now even more of an issue with covid. There's too much produced by people with their own companies compared to what people need mostly in East Asia and Northern Europe.
What makes starting your own company seem attractive is the massive amount of asset price inflation spilling into private markets and hence startups. Don't get me wrong, at some point in my life I want to have my own company -ies too but it's not like someone will necessarily buy your siht if you make them right now. As far as the topic comes - this thread is way too negative. That said, a lot of people do get fcked with pay.
Also, my bet is that the thread's numbers will be true two-three years from now. I find a lot of the numbers in this thread a bit surprising. Pay definitely getting more varied depending on the desk, I. Tried to network internally but they prefer hire from outside. Cash equities pay is terrible. But everyone wants to move to those desks. I tried to move out from cash equities so many times, so far no luck. Any advice will be appreciated. I'm curious, how do you balance your relationship with your current desk while reaching out to other teams?
Do your coworkers know about your intention and move? In a similar boat but I'm very concerned and unsure of how to approach this situation. Yes it is possible. But more and more, finance is starting to work like random company. So less direct link to PNL. Reality is just that pay will be lower and keep getting lower. Each of you just needs to decide if it's still worth it.
And the less they deliver, the less good they are, and that means they will never get a bid from elsewhere and free up space. So you are just there hoping to work for the star director that will get promoted to head of the desk so you can step up, or for some big round of layoffs to make the boat leaner.
And you could be waiting for 5years with nothing happening. Getting an offer from elsewhere can help to "unstuck" the situation, but the industry is shrinking so its not like there are dozens of top jobs going around. Put pay aside, how do you think the job mobility and career upside of sales trading? How easy it is to become an MD in sales trading? You miss the point. Politics is very important in a big bank.
Those directors will stay because they usually have deep connection with some senior leaders. Senior leaders also need them to get rid of some people who may be a threat. You are still too young to understand politics in a bank. For those people who are good at politics, you can easily make someone miserable, and disappear from industry. Those directors don't need to be good at trading, they just need to be good at politics. Don't be naive. This happens at every large companies.
This is more inline with what I'm hearing. I think maybe the disconnect is in order to make real money you need to be on one of the desks that's still interesting. I would think it's something like the below Mostly agree, but also depends on the bank a bit, more and more banks are picking their spots a bit in terms of where they are allocating resources.
Some banks have a great macro business but a weaker HY business and vice versa. In general it seems that anything with a lot of new issue is paying better than things without a lot of new issue. These numbers seem insanely low to me, personally.
They had good years but nothing amazing like others have mentioned. These are all people at tier 1 BBs but still. All of this is specific to Fixed Income traders not sales , but still. I'd think 3rd year sales associate is like kk. There's just much less ability to shine in sales until you have your own accounts that are doing size, no matter how talented you are. If you do well with the small book you will get paid for it and will get more responsibility.
In sales teams are generally 2 or 3 senior people with an analyst an IG sales desk may have 10 people but they will be split up into smaller teams , and while each account will have a primary person the others are there to back up when that person is out or occupied with something else. So in sales you are sort of waiting for someone to leave so you get to be "the guy".
Sometimes you catch the right breaks and you become "the guy" early in your associate tenure and other times you don't get it until later in your VP years. Also there is a relationship element here and management seems much less willing to shake things up on the sales side than on the trading side, you see some senior sales people who suck and don't work very hard but because they cover one or two important clients and management is happy with how that relationship is going they won't rock the boat.
Do you know how can I get into one of these more profitable desks? I found once you became VP, you basically stuck with your desk. Do you think that if you don't get into these desks at junior level, you will not able to get in after 30?
I'm currently in banking Securitized products. Wow, looks standard deviation of sales trading compensation is huge! Most of people don't get big money with some outliers get huge pay. The skew of trader pay is probably the highest compare to any other industry. I think the problem with sales trading compensation is standard deviation vary too much. Same desk in different banks performance can vary differently.
I see most of people compensation around k for a VP trader. Many of these people are just lucky to end up in a good desk for each bank, good desk is different. The even bigger problem is those desk make a lot of money are not growing so they are not hiring. If you can't into those desks which is really not that much , you are screwed for rest of your career.
Is sales and trading a shrinking industry? Of course. Because good desk doesn't want to grow its headcount. Because business is not growing so headcount is not increasing. If you don't agree with me, tell my why all good desk like high yield credit doesn't want to grow its headcount.
The truth is they know if they grow headcount they can't keep high bonus. Technology is much better a career choice. Google's always hiring but high yield desk is always gate keeping. Not increasing the headcount. There are many smart interns but in the end, hiring is more relationship based. And girls don't get opps because it is a bro club. That's why most of people in that desk are guys.
If head of trading is from credit background, then he will give more money to credit traders, especially those people who have close connection to him. If head of trading is from mortgage, then MBS trader get paid well. What is the most important thing as head of trading? Keep your job. How to do that? Dude shut up already. They cut every year this isn't unusual WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Join Us. Already a member? Popular Content See all.
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Yeah I hope a slight increase too but I don't have much hope. Investment Banking Interview Questions and Answers. Sales or trading? Excel Model Templates and Training. HF Interview Questions. Despite some comments above, I still think its low. But it will vary a lot by desk. Financial Modeling Courses. View 2 replies. Juniors usually have higher bonus lower base. As you move up, base increase, bonus decrease, overall package increase.
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That is true for every company. What company doesn't want to make every employee replaceable? That's just how capitalism works. Monopoly is a real problem nowadays. Hedge Fund Pitch Template. Hmmmm, this is all very gloomy. I am in a top BB in equity derivs. Fixed income pays more than equities from what i hear. While i agree with the mood here, k seems a bit low if you are on a successful desk. No, my ID is Bullshit. I am VP3 now. View 4 replies. In , we still have prop trading desks.
I am willing to do anything to bring good old days back. You made VP in 3 years? Shokcity3 O Rank: Monkey 37 Oct 20, - am. Are you in sales or trading and what desk are you on? Did you join out of mba? Does anybody have any color on equity derivatives pay? Is it good? In relation to other desks, I mean. It's so competitive. It's a dying industry. And you guys get really fucking small bonuses.
Your fucking stupid :. The difference between this thread and what the industry was like in is crazy. Wait for biden to come with his tax hammer and it won't even matter if you make k. As usual people who are already wealthy are not impacted or get richer through asset inflation. Poor people get handouts. Either live some chilled life with a reasonable job, or create your own company. I feel it is crazy how people are brainwashed to vote for Biden!
Trump is the better person for banking industry! He supports lower tax and will lower capital gain tax in his second term! He supports deregulation which will allow prop trading! He supports restricting foreign workers which means more job opps for American!
Trump four more years! Right, why work hard to make big money if most of them go to pocket of IRS? What are the desks that pay well in your bank? Congratulations to Donald Trump on winning the US presidential election again! Thanks to president Trump, bank stocks are soaring today!
Say no to bank regulation! Say no to tax hike! Keep America Great! What do the numbers look like for sales? Here is what I have seen in fixed income, I think this is decently accurate. How's the rates desk? Is it one of the desks still growing? Any numbers for London? That's the vibe I'm getting from these comments. Nobody here really understands how bonus is actually calculated. I will tell you, it's simple - politics. Don't worry about bonus.
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So I just signed an offer to work at a bank in SF. What are your thoughts on living in this city? Did I make the right choice? Hey everyone. Just feeling a little down on myself after getting rejected from 2 different super days at IBs. How do you guys cope with rejection? Especially after such a grueling process. How do they compare in terms of deal flow, prestige and exit opportunities.
Also was wondering how sector coverage may differ to work being in financial sponsors. In financial sponsors would yo…. The worst part is I still wake up at a even if I sleep late as my circadian rhythm seems to be set in stone. Any advice? Most banks are open. Heard that for last year, they opened their apps around August 15 Any clue how they would do for this year?????????????? Title says it all. I'm trying to get a sophomore summer internship at boutique banks near me. Am I supposed to be cold emailing MDs?
The info company email? Someone else? Should I send emails to multiple people at a company? Thanks for the help. Also, does anyone happen to have any resources o…. I haven't seen this thread so I just wanted to start a page for JPM's summer analyst position. Have any of you applied? It has been my observation that different fields get hot and then fade out. It was hedge funds, then IB, now its PE. Do you think this will return to the mean at some point?
When will that be? What is the mean? What are Mizuho's best groups?? Anyone know anything about the process? Seems odd they would post the app before the end of their internships, as I doubt they have any sense of headcount right now. Also, do people understand how the networking policy at JPM works? Looking for a sophomore summer internship and I want to at this boutique, how best to directly broach the subject?
I also wonder when their process kicks off. Hi everyone, I had my superday last Wednesday and received this email from recruiting team today. I would love to have your thoughts about it while i am awiting for update? Interviewers were so nice and interview were more a conversation than a typical interview.
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Applications launch July 1. What is tne recruiting format? Thanks and good luck everyone! I work in markets, which is a bit more shameless than IB, but still What kind of jobs do these MDs transition to when they're told by their bank that they're no longer welcome? I changed the name of my internship title to better describe the role I was in, when banks are doing background checks will they care? The bullet points under the title are all accurate and so are the dates but the formal name of the internship is not what I have on the resume.
Will i get dinged? I can survive bad weeks, but long-term I need a consistent 8-hrs a night. When is a good time to start networking for group placement for IB summer analysts ? Any general advice on how to go about it? How is she viewed on wall street? If you had the chance to have a mentor formal or informal , what would be the best questions to ask or topics to discuss? Especially in same the same firm.
Sorry for this emotional rant. But I know this forum has tons of experienced people and people who have been in my shoes. Have be…. How was networking for fellow introverts? Has anyone lateraled over after SA to a better bank? The recruiting process feels like there is no opportunities for a bullshitter to make his way into IB, but it must've happen.
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Quick question for the London crowd. No thread for Macquarie for Summer Analyst role as well! It'd be great if anyone has any insights about the recruiting cycle and some of their groups on the West Coast. Applied for financial restructuring Since I have only seen a thread for the US. Just got my invite for a phone screening and the dates for the super days today. Pls share updates.
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Would you need people higher up MD VP to vouch for you rather than analysts because there are fewer spots. This is coming from semi-target in the midwest looking to get into NY. Many people have said to delay graduation but I can't afford. Does anybody know where they are with recruitment?
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